Some of these recent models have displayed such bad attitudes...even while gagged they talk back...and I gotta tell you, I love it...Nothing drives the dominant spirit like breaking the spirit of a bound slave...It must be done with relative delicacy, as not to harm the precious bottom, but you keep making the same point over and over...they are not in control...they are helpless and their bad attitude only makes it worse for them, and better for us...I leave Holly hanging by all fours in a rough suspension, and Im still not sure she ever gets the point...Ogre...